Tuesday, September 30, 2014

Dominion: Industry #14 - New Oil

Special thanks to Glen, who commented how he'd like to see something more unique for Oil cards.

I've never been satisfied having Oil just be a clone of Spoils, but previous attempts to make Oil something interesting didn't work, especially early on when I was stuck thinking of Oil as being like Potions.  Now that I've moved away from Industry for a bit, I've come back to it with a fresh(er) mind.

New and improved.  Must be high-test.
My first thought was on making Oil have a variable in it, so you might not always get the same amount of money.  So it might be a Treasure card, for instance, where you draw cards.  Since this is happening on your Buy phase, Actions are useless, so you're only hoping for money at this point.

But thinking on that line, I realized that's much more the sort of thing that would go in Will of Ra than Industry, so if I expand Will of Ra into a moderately-sized expansion at some point, I may want to revisit that idea.

My next thought was of City from Dominion: Prosperity, which gives you bonuses based on how many supply piles are gone.  I always liked that concept, but that was the only official card that was ever used on.  I think, like the Clean-Up phase, cards which get more powerful late-game could be an expansion all on its own.  I've teased that concept around in my head, and perhaps that will come of something, too.

But for now, I'll stick with just a demo of that with the revamped Oil Card.  My first thought was that perhaps you start with +$2, but you get an additional +$1 for each empty supply pile.  While it works thematically, it wasn't varied enough from City.  The bonus the player should get from Oil should be something more that one of the standard pluses.

So, of course, what's important to get late game?  Victory Points, of course.  So with that, playing an Oil Card with at least one supply pile gone also gives you an Estate.  It's a good thing, then, that Oil is a one-time-use card.

Play, test, comment, enjoy!

Sunday, September 28, 2014

Dev Log: FissureVerse #39 - Backs, and Tokens

Hold up! I gotta rethink this.

With the previous version of FissureVerse (when it was called Vortex), my sister and brother-in-law playtested the game.  The playtest devolved into a game of War very quickly: they would reinforce with a Devotee or two, and then on their next turn immediately Crusade and snatch up the other player's Devotee.  They had picked non-opposite factions (like Blue & Green, I think), so the two attributes they kept comparing were always close and worked out simply.  They never Frenzied or played Rogations.  It was just a quick swap back-and-forth.  By the end of the game, it was the luck of the draw that determined the winner.

Clearly, that was not a particularly good thing to be happening.

That was one of the reasons I reworked the Action phase a little, in hopes that such a thing would not occur, and that players would use the other card types.  Or, at least, give players who wanted to use other strategies a fighting chance.  If using nothing but Crusaders is a dominant strategy, the other cards don't need to exist.

However, I had a dream last night, wherein two friends played FissureVerse in an almost identical fashion to the way my sister and brother-in-law had, even accounting for the reworked Action phase.  The new way to play doesn't give Players who want to Frenzy a chance to do so.  Not really.  You have to get lucky with the Turn Order on each Location Card to pull it off.  And even then, you might as well just Reinforce again, to cap out your Field of Play.

I don't want to rework the game further to completely eliminate that strategy for players who want to use it, but I don't want it to be the only way to play.

This back-and-forth is mitigated somewhat with three players, and even moreso with four, but that's not quite good enough.  Two players need to be able to play the game without such an issue.

Currently, I'm trying to come up with some rules that don't force me to redesign the cards to add anything.  I've considered ways to basically Tap Crusaders (like in Magic: The Gathering), either upon being put into play, or after a Crusade, but I think that only delays the inevitable, and gets confusing because of the way Rounds work.  I could do something like "You can only Crusade if you have no cards in your hand", which would now most certainly force players to do more, but that does not seem like a pleasant solution.  I think players who want to Crusade often would just discard their hand whenever possible, just to be able to Crusade, and nothing is achieved.

Another possibility is to say you can only Crusade when you are not first in Turn Order, so you are in a Location which you do not have control over.  That way it makes sense that you would Crusade where your Opponent holds domain, and wouldn't Crusade in your own home.  But due to the random nature of the Locations, you may have a few rounds of Catan Dice Syndrome before you can Crusade.  You'd have your Crusaders all set down, a few Frenzies even in place, and you don't get the chance to Crusade before your whole army is wiped out because of an unlucky streak of Locations.  Ouch.

I could also add Crusade tokens, which perhaps require you to spend them to Crusade with a Devotee, though Crusading with a Zealot perhaps doesn't use them, and then the tokens get refreshed... somehow.  I'll have to think about that possibility.  So far it seems to have the likeliest chance of going somewhere.  I've considered adding tokens to the game in terms of placing them on Crusaders and having them change the way the Crusader is played, but I wanted to wait on those for a while and keep the game purely card-based until the kinks were worked out.  But, if it's what works...

...Yes, indeed.  New rule: at the end of every Round, if you have Reinforced, Frenzied, or played a Rogation during that round, you gain one Crusade Token (one for each, so if you played a Rogation and Frenzied, for instance, you get two Tokens).  When you wish to Crusade, you spend a number of Crusade Tokens equal to the value of the Attribute you're using as Offense.  So if you're Crusading with Reason, for instance, and the Reason attribute on your Crusader is 4, you have to spend 4 Crusade Tokens to do so.  But this also takes into account Frenzies, so if you have a Frenzy on that previous Crusader which gives a -1 on the Reason attribute, you now only have to spend 3 Crusade Tokens to Crusade the way you want.

I like it.  It may need a little balance or figuring out the exact proper way to distribute Crusade Tokens (perhaps Refilling should give you a Token, perhaps Reinforcing should not, etc.), but I think that may solve the problem.

This also helps to give a bigger advantage to Blue, who has always been on the short side of Offensive Attributes, by making Crusading a typically cheaper affair for Blue than for others.  Though that may make Blue too powerful.  The trials of game design...

Anyway, here are the new card backs, courtesy of Spellbound.

I'm getting better at asking about using art before applying it.  They say it's easier to ask forgiveness that to ask permission.  Not true.

I'll also start adding the credits and links directly on the blog in a single spot, not just the name on each card and a credit in the instructions.  That way it's easier for people who like the art to see the originals.

Thursday, September 25, 2014

Dev Log: FissureVerse #38 - Crusaders 2

First, a couple of notes:

I've decided to move the Frenzy Distortion out of this initial set of cards.  Firstly, having an even 24 cards for all card types/colors (and 48 locations) makes things simple to print out (since there can be 8 cards per page).  Secondly, Distortion was the biggest Frenzy I was kind of iffy on the artwork, so when I do the next set of Frenzies I'll be looking for other artists and maybe a better match will be found.  Lastly, the big one, is that this is a card that might really mess with things, and I want the other more "standard" cards to be thoroughly playtested before adding in a card like Distortion.

Also, I got into contact with Lane Brown, whose artwork I've "borrowed" for a few cards so far.  He's happy to let me use his personal artwork, but commissions might be a sticky issue, so I have to change any art I've used of his that have been commissioned.  Thankfully, only Steadfast Clan needed artwork replaced, so I'll replace it in a later post. Also, since I know his last name now, it'll be added that to the credit on the side of each card.

Last quick one: I've changed the name of Android 8 to Android 4, just because there's a character named Android 18 from Dragon Ball, and that's a little too close.  Might have been in the back of my mind or something when I created the card.

In the last set of 24 cards, there were quite a lot of Blue cards.  For these next 24 cards, the number of each is a bit more even, though there's a few extra Greens than anything else.

[Edit 10/7: Some artists asked me not to use their work, so they have been deleted from this post.  Any missing cards will be added in a later post.]
Dichotomous, Dead on Arrival, The Architect
Click to enlarge.

Dichotomous was a tough one; being that it's a an adjective, and I was using it to describe basically how the big two attributes are Reason and Fire.  So the suggestion of the name is that it's torn between two very different ideals.  Hopefully at least a smidge of that comes across in the artwork.  But, having found that artwork, I found a quote from The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which naturally flows with the initial idea of Dichotomous, and ties with the new artwork.

Servants of Emptiness is Blue's basic card.  Although it suggests Green a little bit with the robot, the robot and the person are watching the sunset in peaceful silence, so I thought the picture would be better for a Blue card.  No text because it's just nice to enjoy a beautiful moment in silence.

Fireflies is adorable.  When I saw that artwork, I didn't think it would fit with the style I was shooting for, and I wouldn't be able to place it, but a looser interpretation of the word "fireflies" makes it work.  Here, the original attributes were 1's straight across the board, but I boosted the Reason attribute because the special rules didn't justify such an abnormally weak card.  We'll see if this balances out a little better.

Dead on Arrival is one of those cards where I had a particularly gruesome idea for the artwork, and there was no way in seven hells I'd be able to find what I was looking for, so the next best thing would be to re-imagine it and see what come up.  The artwork for this is kind of like a tree-skeleton hybrid, and looks better when it's not cut off by the condensed space of the card, but hopefully it captures enough here that you can get the gist.  I decided to go with no flavor text on this one because I felt that most unattributed text would seem like it's coming out of the mouth of the character in the card, and I couldn't find a voice that quite worked for it.  Perhaps its stunned (or perhaps creepy) silence works better.

Shameful is a tricky one; I added 1 to its Water attribute to make it even like a Servants card.  This partially works in the favor of the idea of Shameful: it's a card which could be anywhere, but it's not proud of that fact.  The trick with the special text here is that Fearful and True Conversions have their own advantages and disadvantages.  If you Convert by Fear/Fire, you get to keep the card completely, and there's no chance of losing it, but you also don't get to play with it.  If you Convert by Reason, you get to use it as if it were your own card, but that means there is a chance you could lose it.  So to me, at least for now, those two ideas balance out, so the special text here should not significantly affect the balance of the card.  For the art, I guess I can see how someone might see the red and consider that a Joker's grin, but the eyes make him look sad, and his lack of real mouth sadder still, so I think it looks appropriate for a card called "Shameful".

José Arias likes to use chained creatures in his art, and the artwork for Caged is just one of many.  It works in lots of circumstances, but none more so than Caged.  I could have picked practically any of his chained creatures for it, but for a Blue card I settled on one that looks more human and less vicious.

Kamikaze, like Fireflies, began as 1's straight through, but this one was even tougher to balance because it just seems so unbelievably devastating.  However, I changed the text so it only pulls off it's big kaboom if it's Killed, when it used to be "Killed or Fearfully Converted", so to begin with that mitigates it a little.  Also, I bumped the Sword to 3, which, despite making the card more powerful, makes the special text less effective, because it becomes harder to straight up Kill Kamikaze now, and it's harder for Kamikaze to intentionally Kill itself (by charging into battle knowing it won't win).  The player would need to Frenzy the Sword down, or the Opponent would have to make a big mistake.

The Architect was probably inspired by the God of War character, who always intrigued me, so it makes some sense to me to keep the artwork Grecian.  I didn't really have an idea of what I wanted for artwork, since it could be any sort of person, but I think this woman gives an expression of that shrewd, critical glare that works well for the card.  It would have been nice to add some flavor text, but alas, no room.

Mystics was very tough to pick for, since any number of pieces of art could have worked, but I want to differentiate it from the more "general" feel I kept getting.  So I went with a pun.

Just like each color has a Servants card, and a card that is opposite to its ideals, each color also has a card that stacks all of its power in the defining attribute of that color, and embodies that color.  For Yellow, it's Cavernous.  Cavernous was originally in reference to an empty chest cavity, as in "heartless", because it is the most vicious creature there is.  I decided to go with something hopefully disturbing for the flavor text.  Maybe it comes out cheesy.  To me it's something Pennywise might say. [Edit 10/3: Cavernous removed, see above].

I had many options for Lidless, too, and like Mystics, I didn't want it to be too generic.  The suggestion is basically that Lidless can see through a person to find their true weakness, since Frenzies can really change a card's attributes.  I should probably add some errata for how it deals with The Hidden, now that I think about it.  The Hidden shouldn't be forced to show its Frenzy if it's not using it. [Edit 10/3: Lidless removed, see above].

The Derelict is probably from Grime, if I were to place a Crusader with a Location.  They are Yellow precisely because Yellow is all they know.  Grime is like Yellow's breeding ground for crazies to use for their purposes.  But the special rules text indicates that, if The Derelict is in another Player's Field of Play, it must have been Truly Converted (there are probably lots of special circumstances, but as a general rule), so being that it's convinced of its new religion, it is even more hot-tempered.

Systematic could have been quite the generic card, as well.  It seems a lot of them are that have no special rules text, which makes sense.  For systematic, the name and attributes suggest that it prefers to win over by Reason first (hence it's Green), and failing that, Fire, and failing that, just Killing its Opponent.  The picture is a tad cyborg-y so that works.

Vermin needed some kind of animal for its art, and using actual rats would be too on-the-nose, so this hellish alien dog-bee-thing works well.

Returned is meant to mean "returned from the dead", and it is now equipped with knowledge of the afterlife (hence it is Green).  The quote may be a little cryptic, but it's a bit of a joke: now that Returned has seen that afterlife, it never wants to go there again.  The artwork is very zombie-like for an alien, so I went with it.

Servants of Solidity is Yellow's "Servants" card, and naturally looks like Master Blaster, and of course the flavor text is a pun.  Cuz that's the way I do things.

The original placeholder for Creatures was a unicorn, which worked well.  I wanted to juxtapose the term "creature" which suggests a less-than-human intelligence with attributes that suggest otherwise, like a dolphin.  Here, this big pack animal works well for it.  The special rules basically makes Creatures to be a very tame animal that startles easily.

Pollen was tough to find art for, as well, without just a picture of pollen.  But this works well, if you imagine the blue mist as being the Pollen, and the xenomorph-type creature as being the victim.

Echoes is pretty awesome.  Far better than the original placeholder, which was the Greek legend of Echo.  A mite different, I'd say.

The Expired was tough, partly because I'd forgotten what my initial intent was, and also because the name suggests something zombie-like, but I knew it wasn't meant to be just the Returned or Dead on Arrival.  So this interpretation is vaguely demon-like, as if these creatures live in a hellscape, and cannot be killed.  Because of that, you can't Kill them in a Crusade, so Killing them instead acts like Conversion through Fire.

Lost Souls, The Awoken, Sorrow Symphony

I bumped up the Fire attribute on Lost Souls by 1, because I think the difficulty of the special text makes it worth it.  In fact, it might be so frustrating I might want to bump it up to be even more powerful, if the balance just isn't there.  We'll have to see.  For the art, it's got angel wings, but is clearly emaciated, and it's a very, very Red card.  I think I like where that story is going.

I spent too much time trying to figure out both what artwork to use for The Awoken, and what flavor text to use.  I went with this artwork because she looks a tad tired, but beyond that I didn't have much of an excuse.  I suppose I'm partly keeping it because it's a Blue card, and Blue needs more pacific-looking artwork, and this works for that purpose.  I think I settled on no flavor text because I couldn't capture the voice.  But heck, just because there's room for flavor text, doesn't mean there always needs to be some.

Take, for example, Sorrow Symphony.  No flavor text because I wanted the art to speak for itself.  I had many options for where to put this piece of artwork (Lost Souls and The Winged among them), but I think in the end, this art goes with this card best.  It is similar to Lost Souls in feel, though it's Yellow, and hopefully a bit more sorrowful.  I really like how you can see the second one in the background.

Slaughterhouse is Red's super-Red card; the card that typifies it completely.  Slaughterhouse was always meant to be a beast of some kind, and this one certainly looks the part to have those attributes.  As far as the flavor text goes, I considered having none, but this Poe quote is awesome, too, if you read it as from the little guy in the bottom left corner.

Next set of cards will have new artists; this set have been pretty much used up!

Saturday, September 20, 2014

Dominion: Will of Ra #6

Here are the rules and printable cards for Dominion: Will of Ra.

I made one particular extra rule on Vizier in the errata, that the Attacking player who gains a Curse only gets ONE Curse no matter how many Viziers are revealed.  Otherwise, having Vizier in a game would just be too brutal and no one would ever play Attacks, which is not good, of course.  The Attacker should have to decide whether it's worth the chance to get a Curse for whatever else the Attack Card does, not fear playing it altogether.

But beyond that, things play the same, I believe.

Play, test, leave a comment, suggest sets, suggest clarifications!

Tuesday, September 16, 2014

Dev Log: FissureVerse #37 - Crusaders 1

The first round of redesigned Crusaders is here.  Most of them are Blue, likely just because of the particular Deviant Artists I've been using.  So all of these cards have new placeholder art that's a little closer to what I'm going for, as well as flavor text, and clarified rules text, and (hopefully) more balanced attributes.

The big two artists in this set are Lane and Jose Arias, as well as a few from Smithhy and cat-meff.  A smattering of others come here and there, and I'm sure to give credit on the side of each card.  Of course, this is still just placeholder art, nothing official, but far, far closer to the feel and themes I wanted.

[Edit 10/7: Various artists have asked me to remove their artwork, so any that I describe here (and in the next post) that have been removed will be added with new artwork in a later post.  That's what I get for not asking first! I'm in the process of retro-actively asking artists, so cards will continue to disappear.  I'll be doing that more as I go on, and back-tracking as well to try to ask every one else that I've used.]

The Collector, Android 4, Tames, Teh Unimaginable
Click to enlarge, of course.  Also, see a later post about why Android 8 is now Android 4.
Steadfast Clan remains the same; I wanted to give them a Native American feel (in fact that should be one of Blue's big themes), with the simple declaration of their resolve.  The Steadfast Clan, being Blue, is big on Resolve/Defense/Water/WhateverYouCallIt, but is also willing to fight for their home.

[Edit 9/21:  I got in touch with Lane Brown, whose art I've used for much of this set, and he has given me permission to use most of his art.  The only exception is what I've used for Steadfast Clan, since it was a commission by someone else for a book cover, so I'll change that for the next post.]

I bumped up The Collector's Water attribute, because of the rules modifications, The Collector's special text is no longer as powerful as it once was.  The balance must be weighed between the regular way of playing (all or none) and the house rule for scoring.  As for the art, my original thought was for The Collector to be a collector of souls, but this worked really well, too.

The Dustchildren artwork is just cool; I can't claim I imagined anything like it.

The original picture for Android 8 was Data from Star Trek, which was pretty much what I wanted (except I hoped to find a less copyrighted, less photographed take).  What it is now is even better.  I didn't just make the quote reminiscent of Pinocchio, the image is Pinocchio, just a sci-fi-ish version.

For Twister and Tames, I wasn't sure I'd be able to get across an alien race that represents wind and earth, respectively, without just showing a tornado and an animal, like I had for my first round of placeholder art.  But these most definitely work, and I like how they're both massive, but have opposite dispositions.

Twister has been boosted a little in its Water attribute, to make it average.  I think that a player aiming to convert Twister might have a strategy involving discarding a card, so it might not be as bad a result for the other player every time.

Scatterbrains seems like an obvious choice, given the subject.  I had in my head a double-headed alien, but anything with lots of brain cases works, doesn't it?  Scatterbrains also got an extra Reason attribute point, again to make it average.  Splitting its Crusade between two opponents is cool, but not really worth it if the card can't handle the split.

The Unimaginable was always a Lovecraftian horror from the get-go.  The placeholder was just Cthulhu itself, but now Lovecraft has been moved to the flavor text, and The Unimaginable is a more original monster.  Each Color gets one card that is seemingly the opposite of what it stands for, and for Blue, The Unimaginable is it.  The Unimaginable got a boost to its Sword attribute, to balance for the change in rules, just like I did with The Collector.

Guardians, Thunderheads, Meek, Flesh
Guardians was tough; I almost didn't use that artwork because it was tough to crop it just right.  But I'm glad I got both the guard and the child, and if you can't quite see it I turn the flavor text into a conversation instead of just a single quote.

Thunderheads was always meant to be a fire-and-brimstone preacher (well, plural... a lot are plural but the best image was singular), and the dark smoky shadow works perfect here.  I decreased Thunderheads' Sword attribute, in an attempt to balance for the broad red text.  Red text is tricky at times, because there's a variable in how many Crusaders the player might have out in the Field of Play.  Too few, and the card is overpowered, too many, and the effect is too costly.

Meek is based off the Bible quote Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth".  Here, Meek is a creature that starts off weak (or meek), but can become extremely powerful.

Flesh is Green's "opposite" card, light on Reason and big on murder.  I like the joke that a card called "Flesh" has a picture of skeletons on it.

I had many, many options for The Winged; since practically half the fantasy creatures ever conceived have wings.  The first placeholder was an angel, and although that was cool, I felt such a token symbol of good wasn't "Red" enough.  Now here is a more common image for fantasy.  However, the lore is that dragons are extremely intelligent, but since it's Red, Reason is a bad attribute.  So instead I made it more of a taunting kind of card.  "Infinite", of course, is the name of the Green faction, Red's big enemy.

Naomi was tough to pick for; of course I had to pick a woman as artwork, considering the name, but it was tough picking between this, the Steadfast Clan girl (above), and others.  I think I went with this because of the sun-ray-type background.  Her image is also not too sad, not too tough, but calm, like she has a trick up her sleeve.  Like Thunderheads, Naomi had to be rebalanced for the red text effect, so here I decreased her Fire attribute, which of course ought to work fine, considering she's Blue.

Each color also gets a "Servants" card: your basic card that's adequate in all four categories.  Servants of the Noise is Red's.  I think it captures the spirit of Red well enough: a brutal sense of humor.

The original art for Learning to Walk was a baby deer.  Of course that's not quite what Yellow is about, but I wanted to keep that same sort of idea, something weak in the knees (mostly because whatever my original idea about what Learning to Walk should be has been forgotten).  When I decided on this one, I thought it worked, though I contemplated a Frankenstein quote to go with it (nothing worked well).  This works; perhaps it's best to have as few non-original quotes as possible, unless they're perfect.

For Starving, Cacophonous, and The Hidden, I felt silence was best.  Starving has silent gratitude, and The Hidden is silent because, well, it's trying to maintain cover (even if it's out in the open, seemingly).  For Cacophonous, I struggled with something to write there, before deciding that the picture says it all.  Writing "Raaaaaawr" or something equally lame would just detract from the image, which is awesome by itself.  It's one of those pictures you can hear just by looking at it.

As for The Optomites, well, you'd be surprised how tough it is to find a sci-fi alien that's smiling!

Witch Doctor, Abductors, Servants of the Infinite

I think Witch Doctor and Abductors speak for themselves, and aren't a far cry from their original art.

Servants of the Infinite was a tough choice for that artwork.  I think it's amazing, so I wasn't sure if I wanted it for this or for For Hire (which I'll get artwork for later).  For Hire, however, is more along the lines of hiring a lawyer or debater or philosopher than hiring a mechanic.  This works better here, I think.

Last (of course), but not least, Slowpokes is a turtle.  Of course it's a turtle.  I had that in mind from the beginning, I think, and I'm glad I found such a badass turtle warrior for it.  At least I didn't use the pokemon!

Friday, September 12, 2014

Dev Log: Latchkey #59

I hope whoever invented trace statements got a prize.

I got the error messages to appear in the proper place, so if the game messes up, the message goes in the bottom left box, and if everything is fine, it goes in the top-middle box. 

I've also got the examine command to work (I think).  It should work as normal, though I haven't done every possible test case, since it's becoming harder and harder to figure out what every possible test case is.  The way I do it is to put a trace statement between every line of code, and as I come across them when I test, then I delete them because I know the program got that far without an issue.

AS3 doesn't like to concatenate things, so I thought I was being a good little programmer by using .concat(), but it wouldn't work and messages would only appear fully if I just used += instead.  The online documentation claims both ways produce the same results, but not for me.  Perhaps because I'm trying to concat within a string vector or something.

Anyway, examine/look works again.  However, now I have a lot of duplicate code, but the duplicate code has become necessary because I forgot to add into the initial parsing just where each item or barrier was found.  So basically if you try to look at "the door", and there are two doors, the barrier vector points to them both, but it forgets that the doors are to the north and east, so I can't say "There is a door to the east" without completely rechecking for it.  Same thing if the player is looking at an item in the room or in hand.

So, back to the drawing board, to add locational data on the initial runthrough.

Friday, September 5, 2014

Dominion: Industry #13 - Canal & Clockwork Fixes

After playing a game involving plentiful use of both Canal and Clockwork, I have decided to switch the prices.  Canal is now worth $4, because it is far more useful than I thought it would be; even players who typically don't like to trash cards are fond of it.  Clockwork is much slower than I anticipated, and only tends to be useful towards the end of the game, so I lowered the price to $3.  It's still fun to play, just not used quite as often.  Perhaps in other games the Clockwork Tokens will rise quicker and it'll be necessary to raise the price again.  But that's what playtesting is all about!

I also clarified the rules for Canal, so if you have no cards in your hand during your Cleanup Phase, you don't trash anything, and you don't gain any cards.

The price change does mess with the balance of some of the suggested sets, so I may make corrections to them.  But who knows, they might still be fine.  Only one way to find out!